And I liked to unk, too. My creditors, I went to them and told them w t had happened to me. I said, "Now I'll pay you--it's goin to take a while. So they ode along with me and I finally got them paid off. And I got a lesson out of thBf though. Not to go so damn far in debt. I: You know I've been past those buildings probably,thousands of times in my life, and I've never been inside one.
What does the inside of the 5 and 10 building look like? N: Oh, it's a big The ceiling you know. Up and down. Depend on what they were putting in there, like if they were putting starch tanks, those tanks, starch tanks, would be a story high themseUves. You had to have room above that to get up there and put the agitator motor up there. The motor that drove the agitator that kept the liquid stirred up in the tank.
N: Well, they made corn syrup. When I first went down there they made corn sugar, too. And the bootleggers got to using the corn sugar to make whiskey out of. I: Oh, yes? N: There used to be a store down on the corner of Jasper and William Street where it makes that jog. And I took several different loads of And I'd off load them there and he would come there and pick them up.
N: They did and got away with it. I : So, Staley had to quit making corn su. N: Well, you could still make corn sugar fo tanning company but you didn't make it for table consumpti n. I: Oh N: louder Tanning I: Oh, Tandy? Like the candy company? Tanning like you tan hides. I: Tanning, okay. So they were allowed to do it but only sell it to the tanning companies and that was it? N: Yes, where you process hides. I: I didn't realize they had that much power.
Did the buildings inside change much over the 40 aome years you were there? Not much over the years. I: Did your job change much? N: Some, when they got a different process. The process is a little hard to describe. They changed the process of how they separated the corn gluten from the liquid. They went from a press where we put it through well, a steal! And you would dress that with a cloth on either si4e of it. It was a hydraulic press, it would keep the soli s in there and the liquid would come out.
And the solids th y sent over to the feed house to work into the feed. N: Eventually. I: Eventually. N: It was. I: So the higher you worked up the more you got pai? I: Did the people who cook get more than the people who separated, or the other way around? They had fcentrifuges up there where they separated it. So they gdt to paying more money for the job. I: That's interesting. I had always wondened what it looked like inside there. We talked a little bit, too about the WPA projects during the depression, and about. N: Well, that is where people were on reliaf.
Your grandpa, Hiriam Claytor, worked on that. I: Did he? What did he do? N: Well, he was a manual laborer.
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He dug ditches. They would dig a ditch. Concrete pipe. I; Oh, that tall? N: And they would tunnel and lower that pipe in the 'hole and slide it back through and connect it up with and a other one. It was 6 foot tall and about--oh, 8 to 10 fo t long, each section. And there was, I don't know if I ca explain it. It was made with a lip on one end, and a coll the other end where you slipped that lip into that col ar. Yes, I understand.
N: It wasn't a double collar; it was just single. I don't know what all the WPA did do. And I was working for Staleys, I get 4 may e 5 or 6 days a month in or 3 days a week. It depends o the orders. But I c uld not get any assistance because I had a job. He got surplus food. He'd pick up whatever he had coming. Several times he divided ith Mom and I because, well we needed it. That was the si e of it. Four kids, 6 people living off of short wages. Best bacon in town was about 15 cepts a pound. I: Gosh. You couldn't even touch a slice for that [now].
You couldn't even buy a wiener for that anymore. I: No. That's true. How did you feel about the WPA making more and being able to N: Well, there was no use in getting sore about it because that was the way it was. And I knew they were helping people that had to have help. And they came along and was going to make me take care of your grandpa.
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And he said, "How in the hell can he take care of me, when he can't take care of his own family. I: So, did they leave you alone after that? I: Well, that's good. N: And Wallace had them kill the pigs off. Henry Wallace. He was secre--well, he had to do with food. He was Secretary of Agriculture. To boost hog prices he had them kill the pigs off. And they cured the meat, but the meat was so strong the dogs wouldn't eat it. I: Oh, forever more. N: It was rancid. I: Was that the Illinois Secretary of Agriculture? N: It was the u. So this was like a nation, IJd never heard of this, this was a nation-wide program and hl hadthem kill off the hogs.
Trying to boost the prices of hogs. I: You did your own butchering? I N: Yes. I: How long did that take? I haveno idea. N: That's a hard job. I: I bet. N: You would shoot the hog, cut his throat, let him pleed, and then you would have a barrel of hot water there with lye in it. You would have a singletree, and you would pook it behind--ahhh, shoot. And lift him by that. Douse him up and down in the water. Take and scrape see if you had him scalded enough for the hide to slip out. If you had him scalded right he would slip right out easy.
Have him clean on the inside. I: so it was a 2 day job? N: Usually. I: So then how did you keep the meat? You 4idn't have big freezers right? I would cure it by smoke salt. Morton's smoke salt. And I would cu e it with that. Sometimes I would make a brine and put it in a barrel--pickle it. Because i a brine, it left your meat soft. It was hard to cut. But ou had to also pare-boil your meat or you would have so m ch salt you couldn't eat it.
I: Boy, that's something. I don't remember the years of that exactly, that was like in the s though, right? N: Well, that was. Well liquor They said it would end prohibition. It didn't end it, but it did slow it down because you could go out and buy hard liquor or beer then. I: And before that you couldn't? Prohibition was voted in, oh, sometime in the early s. I don't just remember what year.
Hundred proof corn liquor. I: That would knock you for a loop wouldn't it. N: Hundred maybe proof. Yes, it would knock you for a loop. It would take your breath away. I : Wouldn't take a little dab'll do you for that. N: Yes, a little dab'll do you.
N: Well, yes and no. You had to know where to go to get it. I: It was pretty secretive then? Oh, it had to be. I: Well it had to be. N: I had an event happen one time. The people lived there in ,the house west of me. I didn't know they were bootlegging. And Ace Dever, and Margaret had a square dance. Half and half. I had some on iced up in the tub. And Be ny Vance, he was calling the dance. We'll take care of that.
And he was sitting there drinking it. AnP his boy came walking across the yard, knocking on the dpor. And he said, "Your yard is full of policemen. Police cars. I said, "Sit down. If they wanted us, they'd already have us. If you run out now, if you go now, they will catch you for sure. Sit down there and drink your beer. I : But he was doing more than making homema e beer probably. N: He was bootlegging.
I : He was selling it. He wasn't just makin it for his own consumption. N: Well, somebody went in there, I don't who it was. N: That was all it took. I didn't even know they were. I : They must have been very secretive about it. N: They were. It didn't taka much equipment to make homemade beer. Just ' somebody got honked at them. N: No, just kind of a mom and pop operation. They got mad at them because they wouldn't sell to him and turned them in. I : Do you know what kind of punishment they got for that? N: I don't know. I know they weren't too awful hard.
They fined them and turned them se. So, there wasn't a prison term olved. N: Not at that time. It was just a little nickel and dime operation. It wasn't big deal. I wondered too, about because you worked at Staleys before they had the pnion, and then you were there when they brought the union; in--I wondered how that went.
How did that come about? N: Well, let's see if I can recall that. Tbey got to pushing for a union. We had a company union to start with. N: Well the company had the say so how it oterated mtstly. I: The United N: The United Way. They'd sign your card and put on there how much you donated, whether you wanted to donate or not. And if you didn't, in 2 weeks time you didn't have a job. They'd find another reason to let you go.. So, that was the first thing we got rid of. I: The mandatory United Way.
N: The mandatory part of it. I: Just having to do it no matter what? I: And that was one of the first concerns qf the union? N Yes. N: In a way it was. I: Do you remember if that happened, I'm sure it happened after the depression, do you remember if the union came in before or after World War II? N: Before. I: You worked 7 days a week? If you had a day off you had to laf off and pretend you were sick.
No vacation, no nothing. I: How many years did you work like that? My goodnees you must have just. Time has kind of habit of running things. You do wonderfullY well. You are doing great. There is a lot of life down the drain there. N: Oh, sometimes I was. Sometimes I wasn't.
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Just like anyother job. Sometimes I was, sometimes I wasn't. I: Did you ever think of leaving there? N: Oh, yes! If I had been single, there w4s several times I would have told them what they could do with it and where they could go with it. But I wasn't then. I: What would you have done instead? What would you have preferred to do? N: Went out and hunted another job. I; Just another job not. Well, when I grew up I hadn't avet been taughtanything. My stepfather, he labored. N: I may have those letters wrong on it. I: Well I could check it out. Probably at the library or something.
Do you remember if it was very difficult to getthe union in there? Did the company fight it? I: Not very much. Did it take very long to do? N: Not at that time, no. So, they though it was a done deal? That youwouldn't vote it in? N: I really don't know. That's just my opiaion. I: That was your impression, anyway? I: Well, that's interesting. So did things get better for you? Did you think it was a better deal? N: Gradually. A little bit. They finally got us overtime, where we wertn't gettingovertime before.
I: Well, that was a big help, wasn't it? When I first went there I worked an 11 hour day, 13 houf night. I : Oh, my goodness. Did you. I : Didn't have much social life did you? I: Did you have days off then? He was onelof these people that don't know how to pass anything on. I can't think of the music teacher's name now. She was pretty popular around here then. She said "Did you ever happen to think that he didn't know how? And she was right, people don't know how to pass on what they know.
I: Not everybody is a teacher, that's true. So you think you would have liked to learn an instrument. N: I thought I would have. Whether I wouldihave stayed with it or not I don't know. I: laughs But singing has got nothing to1do with being able to play though, does it? N: Well, I don't know. I think so. I: Oh, do you? He could play it by note, by ear. He couldn't read a note. He could play it by ear. He could hear a song played once, he could sit down and play the blooming thing over again. I: He had some natural talent, it sounds like.
He didn't have too bad a voice. But he used to gather us around the organ, when I was a kid. And on winter evenings we would have a song fest. I: Oh, really? I: I didn't realize you had an organ. It was a pump organ Traughber, we have been talking about your life.
You are 90 years old now, so you have lived a good long life. You expressed to me that you would like to ' talk about World War I just a little bit. What was it that. N: Well, World War I ended on November 11, , and I would have been 17 years old on the 28th day of December in , which cut me just that much short of being drafted for the army in World War I.
I had a family with 4 children, and theydidn't want me very bad. Is what they took. There were some men going in that had more children than I did. I didn't know that. N: I didn't either at the time. N: Well, 3 and 1 on the way. N: Hitler attacked England. And America built Liberty Ships to send sup,lies over to England.
But what got us into World War II! It was Dec. They bombed Pearl Harbor. N: It was more or less keep hands off for the time being. We will supply equipment to the others. They built Liberty Ships to transport the products over there. Sometimes the Liberty Ships broke apart. They went out in convoys, ,of several ships.
I 2s ' I : A Liberty Ship, how was that different tran other ships? Do you know? After they got in the war. The German U-boats got to sinking the ships. Do you ' I : Do you remember how you heard about Pearl Harbor? N: News on the radio. I: Were you at home, do you recall? No, I was at work. I : You were at work? N: I worked at Staley's. And everybody was kind of shocked that that is what had happened. They had rationing, like those cards you had there. You had to have a stamp to buy gasoline, stamp,to buy sugar, one to buy coffee and all that stuff like that.
I: How did they determine who got stamps for what? N: Well they had sort of a rationing board set up. And they seemed to have a rigid quota. Your Uncle Harold was driving for Well's Oil Company so he gqt--well, he was hauling products for them. He worked for Owens Service Stations at the time. I: Did that give him more access to gasoline stamps? N: Yes, because of his occupation. I: Did they decide it then on basis of occu tion? N: Sometimes, yes. And I id, "Well, I have got to make a choice. Either go to w k or go hungry.
If I come to church I won't have gasoline go to work. I said, "You tell thel automobile that. They did change, I know, from my research. N: Well, yes they changed. Automobiles, whatever it was. I: Where they didn't make any new automobil. N: Well, they made some, but if you would P4Y a bribe under the table you could get a new car.
I tried to buy a new car, and I couldn't because I would not pay them what they wanted under the table. You either patched up what you had or did with out. I : I was wondering about the industries. I know from some reading that there were some industries around here that really contributed to the war effort.
I wondered if youknew. N: Well, Grigolett did. I don't know what oompany is there now, but Grigolett used to be there at the west end of Grand Avenue viaduct. No Garfield [Street], I mean.
I : Yes, Garfield. N: Garfield Viaduct. I: Were you aware of what they did? N: No, they kept pretty much hush, hush. T1y made parts. They made bomb parts. They made different arts according to what the government specified. I : Did you know anything about the ordnance! But there were a. But you had to respect thos: boys that were over there serving without a side arm or nything else--going out in the field after somebody, a sold'er that was wounded to help him.
I : I suppose in many ways that is true. I think some of them got killed that way, too. That is the first time I have thought of Vernon Dahoff in a long, long time. I : Vernon Dahoff. His family lived here. He would have liked to have dated your oldest; sister, but she wouldn't date him. I : I know too, that during World War II, because a lot of the men went to fight and into the service, that women came in ' to positions that they would not normally have. They used to have a song "Rosie the Riveter. And that i5 where they worked at. Whatever they had for them to do.
And [ guess ' they got pretty good at it, too. I : Did women not come in to Staley's then to take the place of men? Some did. You would be so damn tired whe you come home, ' you wouldn't want to do anything. The kid are worth more. I : Did you work with any of the women who did come ip to ' ' Staley's? Made different kindF and stored it in bunkers out there. The reason they stored the ' ammunition in bunkers was to keep it cool, to keep it from deteriorating.
No, there were a lot of people who worked out there. I didn't. I worked at Staley's and I stayed ' there. I: I know that you are a member of the Churth of the ' Brethren, and that they are pacifists. Do you recall there being any tension over the advent of the Wfr and the church views? Where they go out into the field after the wounded. I: Red Cross, you mean? N: No, not Red Cross. I: Medics?
I: And he was a member of your church. But I don't know what he served as either. I: He did alternate service, then? I think Dale McBride did do alternate service. He did Peace Corps service, I think, instead. I: Did they catch much heat from the general populous? N: Oh, I always did, and still do. I : Oh, do you? N: Always did, and still do. I tell you whf that is so with ' me. Because they broadcast something, and five minutes later they turn around and contradict it. That is a heck of a charge to say, but that's the way I feel about it.
And we aren't any better off today. N: The whole damn thing. Because you don't know who is giving you what is straight, and who isn't. N: You had to. Sometimes a handful. You had to. No, I don't know, it's one of those things in life that I have forgotten most of what transpired. I don't know if I mentioned to you, if I come over to your house for dinner--! Maybe you had a can of pork and beans, maybe I had a pound of hamburger.
That was what we had for dinner. N: Well, as much as possible, yes. Except for the disruption of what was going on in the world and the war. Why, it affected us, yes. Almost everything was rationed. Bread and flour, coffee, coal oil, gasoline, any petroleum product was rationed, at that time. N: No, not immediately. But shortly after at. Do u remember receiving news of the bombs, Hiroshima and agasaki? Is Nagasaki, is that right? N: Oh, about every Veteran's Day, yes. I 32 i N: Oh, just in passing. Some of them carried, went around over thej plant and picked up samples for the laboratory.
Some of thbm had jobs in the building, but not very many. And I did not want her exposed to that. There were several people that their homes broke up because of it. Women, they kind of got, well they kind of got to where they were feeling independent. Pretty soon the home split up. And to me it was not worth it. And I still feel that way today. It was not worth it. I am trying to think exactly when that was. It doesn't stick out in my mind as well as the other did. It wasn't long after that we went into the Korean War.
Which was another whole ball game. All played over again, between the Chinese and Koreans. Did you have to participate in black outs or brown outs? N: Oh, yes. I : And what did that consist of? N: Well, that you didn't have any in black outs, if you had any lights on in the house, you shaded eve,ry window and went out and looked and made sure not even a crack of light showed through. They never bothered us if they did. They m y have had marshalls, yes.
But they did not bother us if they did. I : Do you remember getting news of the war, and how did youmainly keep track of what was going on? N: Radio. Newspaper and radio. I : Did you feel like you were able to know what was going on during the battle? N: Well, for my part, I was never certain what was going on. Because I was never certain that what they were broadcasting to me was true.
How much of it was made UP and how much was true. N: Yes, they did. Of course that was, I think it was a more ' vicious war, if that is possible, than the one in Europe. I don't think Japan expected the United States to respond like they did. It was December 7, , when tley bombed Pearl Harbor. That jelled the country together. That was the jell the country needed to go ahead and do the job they had to do. I: So, in retrospect then, do you think the country did the right thing?
N: Well, whether it was right or wrong, they were left no other choice. I: They did the only thing they could do. N: There were no other choices, as far as I was concerned. Let's see, I think Roosevelt was our presi4ent then, too. Franklin D. Roosevelt was our president at the time. I believe that is who it was. I: Yes, that is right. N: We did the only thing we could do. It had to be done. Whether we wanted to or not, it had to be 4one. I : I have really enjoyed going over the time that we have talked about. It is pretty unusual for someone to live to be 90 and to have so many experiences.
As a country. In a way I don't know. I think the last few years, t ere are wars all around us. Our country as a whole I d n't know about that either, I'll take that back. John F. Kennedy got us into the Vietnam wa. Maybe I am doing him a disfavor by no honorin him as the great president they say he was.
But was ju t a man the same as I am. I: Yes, right now. I mean today is the tieth anniversaryof his assassination. N: Yes, I know. That is what I am referring to. The good and the bad and the in between. To me, this should be laid to rest. I : I would just as soon it was myself. N: But they won't let it rest. I : No, he is a hero and so people are endle. Well, all of the Kennedy's1would have been wiped out if Edward Kennedy would have run for president like he said he was going to do at one tim.
They told him you better not, or you won't be around. T ey will take you out too. You and a lot of other people. I wondered too, since this tape and the transcript is going to be basically a part of history now, if there is anything you would like to tell to the peoQle who might read the transcript or listen to the tape? N: Well, the only thing I know to tell them 1is you have to use your own judgment, and to the best of four knowledgebase you opinion on what you believe.
Ta turned off Tape turned back on f I I: Do you want to add what you wanted to ad1? I do not think that should be left out. I really feel the good Lord had a hand in what happened to us along the way. He guided us and took care of us. I think that is about it. And for talking to me whether yop felt like it or not sometimes. Depression, Staley Company, Decatur Ill. Creator Traughber, Earl E.
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